Privateer: The Reckoning MOD is ALIVE!

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:49 am by Bob McDob

Okay, uploaded Talons.zip to the FTP. It includes the ms3ds and textures, as well as the usual cmp and mat.

warzog: Although I haven't got a chance to test out the new "suicidal and bloodthirsty" mod version yet, after playing the first campaign mission I think I see the problem with dying: the shields give out too quickly, even the higher level ones, which leads you to rely on armor rather more than you should have too After thinking it over, though, I think you should concentrate more on creating Gemini sector for the time being. After all, playbalancing is just a tweaking deal that can be better fleshed out later, where as systems aren't something just anyone can do

I'm pretty tired, gonna sign off.

bob

P.S. Swiftr: I don't know if you're still planning on doing the HUD, but here's a shot of the aforementioned Quine 4000, which has elements I think would make a good replacement for the "bluer than blue" paradigm of Freelancer

Edited by - Bob McDob on 2/25/2004 9:14:41 AM

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:24 am by Swiftr

Thanks Bob, but currently the HUD has no priority.
First I have to finish the Icons ( I hope the last version I sent to warzog works ) and the Voice-Mod.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:07 am by Sir Spectre

@Bob, when at WCNews.com I saw your pictures you sent them of the Talon, Arrow & Demon, I noticed that the enemy in the shots were "Cats." Why not have "Kilrathi?" Cats is a slang term in the games, not something official, obviously.

Also, on that same news update on WCNews.com there was some a really cool Kilrathi super carrier screenshot from a Secret Ops mod called Wing Commander Standoff. While that may or not fit in this game for style, I went to their website and saw some excellent screen shots of other craft they have made. They have dozens of Kilrathi and Confed forces, including some really Privateer looking ones. I'll post 4 here, click the link if you want to see more.

Stiletto (I know you have one, I'm just showing you the range)

The Concordia (Or is it a station, it's hard to tell by darkness of the pic)

Kilrathi Cruiser of some type

Hakaga class Kilrathi Super Carrier

Here's a list of all the ships they have:
Confed Fighters:
P-64D Super Ferret
F-36G Hornet
F-71B Stiletto
F-54C Epee
F-38A Talon
F-44G Rapier II
A-15E Gladius
F-57A Sabre
F-95A Morningstar
YF-97 Wraith
A-14K Raptor
A-17F Broadsword
A-18A Crossbow

Confed Capital:
Hermes-class
Clydesdale-class
Venture-class
Gilgamesh-class
Exeter-class
Waterloo-class
Wake-class
Concordia-class
Bengal-class
Jutland-class
Confederation-class

Kilrathi Fighters:
Sartha
Drakhri
Krant
Hhriss
Jalthi
Gratha
Grikath
Jalkehi
Gothri
Vatari

Kilrathi Capital Ships
Kamekh-class
Ralatha-class
Fralthi-class
Fralthra-class
Snakeir-class
Hakaga-class

They all look WC2, Privateerish in style. Older, more beat-up looking. If there are any ship slots you need filling, see if you can convert one of theirs if they let you use it.

Also, it'd be neat if there were one or two hidden Kilrathi bases where we could buy some of their fighters. Just a thought, not necessary.

Sir S

Edited by - Sir Spectre on 2/25/2004 10:23:18 AM

Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:28 am by sp00n

whoa, the kilrathi cruiser is way cool!

hm, let me think, was there a "real" kilrathi cruiser in wing commander/privateer?
cant remember one...

would love to see that one in FL

and this is no way the concordia.
lol, just noticed, if you would have placed your mouse a bit longer over the thumbnail, you would have seen that it is a ship called TCS Reims

this seems to be another view of the same ship (though the alt-text says "Waterloo"

. dont like it thaaat much... looks more like somthing romulan.

say hello to the concordia:

Edited by - sp00n on 2/25/2004 11:34:29 AM

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:25 pm by Chemus

Ok, warzog, if you haven't made the torpedo/missile/disruptor thing right like you want it yet, I have an idea. I've been able to call the missile hp_type in weapon_equip.ini hp_torpedo, rather than hp_torpedo_special_1/2, and the same for hardpoints on the ship. It allows for three types of missiles (torpedo, torpedo_special_1, and torpedo_special_2) on a non-gun hardpoint. I've been able to place the launcher, and fire missiles. I hope that this helps.

Also, about the NPC's not firing missiles: The Order ships in mission 01a wouldn't fire during the cinematic sequence when I'd accidentally changed the HP_type of the MUNITION in the weapon_equip file to something other than hp_gun or hp_gun_xx. I have the missile01_mark01_rtc launcher listed as a torpedo, but the munition seems to need to be a gun. Hope this solves any problems you may have with missiles.

Edited by - Chemus on 2/25/2004 1:20:07 PM

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:39 pm by warzog

1st, and foremost...
Eraser:
Thanx for the sprankin' new forum!
(I just love the smell of a new forum. or is that car?)

Sir Spectre:
IIRC, I mentioned changing the name of the Cats several pages/weeks ago.

Swiftr:
ALL of the Icons I've seen so far are PERFECT!!!!
There are a few I may not have seen, yet, but they all look great!
Ships, Weapons, Commodities, all PERFECT!
(And they work right, too!)
Nice work!!!

Chemus:
The problem with the missiles is Definately in the Script.XML file!!!
And since the problem was also in v1.06, it HAS to be something that was in that mod, too!
I spent the day rewriting the Weapon_Equip.ini, Weapon_Good.ini, ST_Equip.ini, ST_Good.ini, Loadouts_Special.ini, and the Loadouts_Utility.ini files to remove data in the Script.XML file.
When I run the mod, nobody can fire missiles!
If I remove the Script.XML file, and run the mod, EVERYBODY fires missiles!
Besides the names, and the data cards, about the only things left in the Script.XML file from v1.06, are the changes to the pay at the end of each mission.
I'm going to slowly delete sections of the Script.XML file, until I find the culprit.

Bob McDob:
You've GOT to be kidding!?!!
Have you EVER seen me give up on a bug, yet?
I'm so worked up, I'm going to have to take a sleeping pill so I can keep from pulling another 24hr debug session, and keep my appointment in the morning!

Watch your 6!

Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:47 pm by Chemus

warzog:
I understand what you're saying. The pirates AND the Order both launch missiles in 1.06 for me. So, if you are experiencing difficulties, try what I tried to get the 1.06 mod to install in the first place: restore the .ini's from the 'FLSDK' provided by the =eoa= Players' Consortium found here http://eoa.seriouszone.com/

And take care of yourself warzog.
-Chemus, Kilrathi Agent. Shh, don't tell anyone.

Edited by - Chemus on 2/25/2004 11:48:16 PM

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:01 am by Swiftr

great to hear that the icons work right warzog :-)

But I had to edit a lot of long numbers, nearly impossible that I didn't make any mistakes there ;-)

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:58 am by sp00n

warzog, you already tried the scriptproofer available here at lancersreactor?

downloadpage

Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:26 am by warzog

Chemus:
Already restored, deleted and re-restored, uninstalled, reinstalled, nothing helps.

Swiftr:
True, but I haven't seen any problems, yet.

Spoon:
Yepper! It says everything is honky-dorey.
(No errors!)

Watch your 6!

Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:14 am by DRKmatter

Man those screen shots r way cool would love 2 fly them or run missions against them
Got a Idea make a station with lots od docking ports like in bobways a1mod
and put all these cool ships in them call it zogbob ship yards

I know u guys r workin your azzzz off on this mod and I am truly lookin foward 2 playing it
I hope that u change the payouts 4 the missions I dont really like the fact that in 3or4 hrs of play u canmax out in money by trading I think that all freighters should b costly I wouls mutch rather fight & trade what my fighter can carry than run and dodge with a freighter 2 lv up

ps please make a mp verson of your mods online play is so much more fun than sp with 4 servers up & running would love 2 change 1 , 2 your mod

have a great day

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:37 am by {Tolwyn}

have you already seen latest screenies I released from WCSaga project?

http://www.wcnews.com/

Wing Commander Saga
Wing Commander Saga Forum
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Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:52 am by warzog

ARRRGH!!!
Bang! Bang! Bang!
Ouch!
(I really hate banging my head against the wall for nothing!)

Bob McDob:
I downloaded the Talons, and I've got some good news, and some bad news:
The bad news: They're white as new-fallen snow. Can't tell one from another.
Edit: Just noticed this: They don't have a Shield or Thruster Hardpoint!
And they still need to be smaller.
The Good news: The missiles fire with the new Talons, but not with the old ones!
(Wierd)
I need to check the other ships to see which ones need to be reworked.
I've just uploaded "A Privateer's Privateer mod v1.02" to the FTP site.
Edit: She's NOT ready for beta testing, due to the lack of shields on the Talon's.
I need to redo v1.07, which henceforth will be v1.08.

Chemus:
See the note to Bob about the missiles.

Update:
I NEED all of the reworked ships ASAP!!!

Watch your 6!

Edited by - warzog on 2/26/2004 12:33:30 PM

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:26 pm by pSYCHO

y'ello, i WOULD like to help with this, i can do most things but to ship edit i NEED the ms3d files, NOT the cmp files.

anything need doing?

There is no objective truth other than schplurg,
Everything is relative to schplurg

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:30 pm by Maverickdan

hi, was just reading the threrad.. gee tht was long, i noticed, well more 2 the point JohnHawke told me about this, sorry but ive been away for ages, college work just got on top of me, so my poor modding had 2 stop. i know im sorry, you all loved me haha, nah. Just putting a reply in about the mod, if you need any help with modeling ether me or JohnHawke will b willing to help, i know hes already spoken 2 u. As for me, like 2 think tht we had a hand in starting the ball rolling on wc ships, but u can arguee the toss on tht, ne who, im currently building the tigers claw from WC1, dunno how long it will take but mail me if ur interested.([email protected])

Ciao

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